September 09, 2011

[ISU] Topup dikenakan tax 6%

Sekarang ni sibuk pasal harga topup kena tax 6%. Kat mana2 ada je org ckp pasal harga baru topup. Ada yg xpuas hati, ada yg mengutuk, ada yg menyindir, ada jgk la yg menyokong(kot?). Sampai dah ada group kt fb pasal xsetuju harga topup dikenakan tax 6%.

1. Apa fungsi group yg xsetuju harga topup dinaikkan kt fb tu? Aku xnampak fungsi yg jelas group tu. Adakah fungsinya utk org kutuk2, melepaskan marah kt wall tu, and that's it? Korang rasa lah, dgn kutuk2, marah2 kt group tu boleh turunkn harga topup ke?

2. Yg peliknya, ada jgk org yg komplen2 ni yg pakai iphone, blackberry, HTC, yg ada ipad, galaxy tab, etc. So, aku assume org2 yg ada benda2 ni org2 KAYA duit. Aii.. pakai hp mahal2, boleh plak, xkan topup takat naik 6% xmampu nk byr kot?

3. Handphone adalah satu keinginan, BUKAN keperluan. Kalau rasa xmampu byr tax 6% tu, xpayah pakai handphone. Guna public phone. senang. Org dulu2, boleh je hidup tanpa handphone, kenapa sekarang nk merungut? Komplen kalau topup RM100, kena byr RM6 lebih dr biasa, mcm la ko topup RM100 tetiap hari? tah2 xpernah pon topup Rm100. Funneh!

4. Paling xleh blah, ada sorang budak ni, student blaja kt oversea, buat comparison kt fb. Dia ckp, dia dok oversea dpt diskaun 10% less bila topup tp kt msia kena tax 6% plak. Comparison sgt xlogik. Kau tgk harga topup, tp ko tgk x rate call dia brapa? jgn nk tipu aku la,aku pon dok oversea gak. Heh. Lagipun, mcm la benda tu effect kt ko? dah tentu ko dok oversea, lg nk byk ckp. Benci tol aku spesis2 org mcmni. Byk bunyi, tp bukan dia pon yg kena. Lagi plak nk bising2.

5. Oh yes, budak yg complaint tu sponsored student. Agak2nya la kan, kalau la kita bg duit kt org, pastu org tu dok kutuk kita blakang2, rasa nk lempang org tu x? Ada org duit PTPTN pon xbayar2, pastu nk itu, nk ini. Haih~

6. Kalau nk semua benda xnaik, I think I have a solution. Apa kata, xpyh bg subsidi lansung? byr je la minyak tu RM6/L, gula, beras, etc tu harga yg sebenar. Boleh?

7. Kita ni dah terlalu dimanjakan. Semua benda subsidi. Gaji nk banyak, tp kerja malas. Tau x, org2 kt jepun ni masuk kerja pukul 8-9pagi, balik umah biasanya kol 12tgh mlm? Tapi aku xpnh dgr diorang komplen. And taraf hidup ke jepun ni antara paling TINGGI di dunia, tau? Tp apsal tah, aku xpernah dengar diorang komplen minyak mahal, gula mahal, keta kena tukar setiap 5thn, cukai keta, cukai tanah, cukai itu, cukai ini. xpernah. Diorang lg berusaha nk kerja lg rajin adelah. Tapi rakyat kita? komplen, komplen and komplen. Duk kedai kopi, komplen2, kutuk2, tp nk gaji 5k sebulan. boleh ke?

8. Bagi aku, ada banyak solution utk benda ni. Kalau xmampu, xpayah guna hp. Kalau ada hp canggih, kan ada whatsapp, fb, etc tu? kalau nk call, guna skype. xpayah la biasakan diri asyik nk komplen je. rimas tau?

9. Bagi aku, xpayah komplen kalau xde isi. Xpayah komplen atas sbb peribadi. Xpayah komplen sbb budaya msia yg suke komplen. Xpayah komplen kalau benda tu xde effect pon kt ko. Xpayah komplen kalau xtau ape yg dikomplenkan. Xpayah komplen kalau ko org kaya.

10. Kalau nk komplen sekalipun, bg sebab yg jelas, salurkan komplen anda kpd saluran yg betul.


Sekian.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

my response to no 4

bukan nak menyokong sesiapa tapi nak mengesahkan sesuatu

i recieved 10% bonus utk setiap kali topup aud10 so dapat $11. and the rate is 2cent per min with 25cent flagfall.

when i call overseas in Malaysia, i've to pay rm1/min with no flagfall. mungkin ade yg murah like ring2 card but itu pon klo kol mobile. tp still mahal or mungkin ada tp sy xtau

my intention here is hanyalah utk say yes, wujud overseas rate yg dinyatakan.

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zunitaramli said...

@anon: 2c/min utk call overseas kah? what kind of mobile prepaid do u use? optus?3?vodaphone? or.. i forgot the name.. it's specially to call overseas, yg color biru tu. 2c/c in aud = 6c/m. kalau kt msia, calling guna umobile, unlimited call for free between umobile users :) kalau simcard tu mmg khas utk overseas call, then it's still not a wise comparison, sbb di oz ramai immigrants yg mmg call overseas. diorang dpt byk income form there. but in msia, xsebanyak kt oz. di msia, company xdpt buat rate rendah utk call overseas mcmtu sbb xramai org oz tinggal kt msia, agree? xramai org jepun tinggal kt msia, xramai org ireland tinggal kt msia.tp ramai org indon tinggal kt msia, sbb tu ada simpack khas utk call indon :) i live there (oz) for 4 years, i know the situation. tp xtau la kalau dlm masa 9bulan i leave oz, suasana dah berubah significantly :)

zunitaramli said...

@izan: yes, very true izan. I have a thought that Malaysians new habit is complaning, no offense. Coz I dont see much valid arguments to agree with them. At first, I dont really agree with the new 6% tax as well, but when I think back, why and the possible reasons behind that, it makes more sense.

I dont mind if they want to ramble and giving concrete reasons, but the thing is, it's more to petty things and for me, xde isi. Sorry.

Ashz said...

Bila baca your article, WHOA!! thats sound so wrong in many ways.. Cara anda mengupas isu ini seseolah tidak kene pada tempatnya... It's sound more like "personal rambling w/o solid arguments" and narrow minded. Lets point out some flaw from your article:

1. Anda harus sedar group manakah yang paling affected dalam hal ini. Your article did not consider the right group (Refer to point no. 2), where this group is minority. Apa yang anda harus consider is the majority group. Dont just simply analysed this issues just based on people around you or small group of people and make this particular situation become general situation (Got it, sound soo wrong isn it?. Now which group affected most? Student. Now think back, student pakai prepaid sbb nak jimat, and now they have to pay extra for that (Put yourself into their situation, then you'll know it).

2. Those yg pakai iphone, blackberry, HTC and so on normally come with data plan.. and it is not prepaid, but postpaid, which is not affected from this issues. Some people did use prepaid, but minor. Reason? Sbb xnak bayar postpaid yg mahal. Again, isu orang KAYA kurang tepat di sini sbb biasanya orang KAYA akan pakai postpaid or at least data plan.

3. Refer to pt. 3, kalau 5 ke 10 tahun dulu, yes, your argument is soo true. Tapi zaman sekarang, Handphone adalah satu KEPERLUAN, BUKAN satu KEIGINAN. Again, you have to look based on current situation. Some people depend solely on handphone for communication. Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal.. (tho' fixed to fixed free but you have to pay extra for that). Satu lagi, student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone.. (See now, it sound so wrong isnt it).. But if you say, Handphone SEPERTI iphone, bb, HTC and etc. adalah KEIGINAN, BUKAN KEPERLUAN, i totally agree with that..

4. Ref to pt 3, what so significant that 6% cukai yg dibayar? Ok lets put this numbers into context..
If you need RM10 top up, then you have pay RM10.60. Ok, now what is so significant this 60 sen. Let see,
1 sms for Upax (think student) = 1 sen (within the same network).. so 60 sen = 60 sms.. WHOA!! sound a lot right... Ok, 6 sen for other network, but still, 10 sms still a lot.
What about call? It worth 4 minutes (15sen/min).. dont you think thats a lot (average 1 song. Enough time to explain your normal condition to your family)..
Again, dont think 60sen worth nothing. It could worth more than you think.. and that only for RM10 where average people use RM30-RM40 per month.. Think of it!!

(continue..)

Ashz said...

Bila baca your article, WHOA!! thats sound so wrong in many ways.. Cara anda mengupas isu ini seseolah tidak kene pada tempatnya... It's sound more like "personal rambling w/o solid arguments" and narrow minded. Lets point out some flaw from your article:

1. Anda harus sedar group manakah yang paling affected dalam hal ini. Your article did not consider the right group (Refer to point no. 2), where this group is minority. Apa yang anda harus consider is the majority group. Dont just simply analysed this issues just based on people around you or small group of people and make this particular situation become general situation (Got it, sound soo wrong isn it?. Now which group affected most? Student. Now think back, student pakai prepaid sbb nak jimat, and now they have to pay extra for that (Put yourself into their situation, then you'll know it).

2. Those yg pakai iphone, blackberry, HTC and so on normally come with data plan.. and it is not prepaid, but postpaid, which is not affected from this issues. Some people did use prepaid, but minor. Reason? Sbb xnak bayar postpaid yg mahal. Again, isu orang KAYA kurang tepat di sini sbb biasanya orang KAYA akan pakai postpaid or at least data plan.

3. Refer to pt. 3, kalau 5 ke 10 tahun dulu, yes, your argument is soo true. Tapi zaman sekarang, Handphone adalah satu KEPERLUAN, BUKAN satu KEIGINAN. Again, you have to look based on current situation. Some people depend solely on handphone for communication. Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal.. (tho' fixed to fixed free but you have to pay extra for that). Satu lagi, student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone.. (See now, it sound so wrong isnt it).. But if you say, Handphone SEPERTI iphone, bb, HTC and etc. adalah KEIGINAN, BUKAN KEPERLUAN, i totally agree with that..

4. Ref to pt 3, what so significant that 6% cukai yg dibayar? Ok lets put this numbers into context..
If you need RM10 top up, then you have pay RM10.60. Ok, now what is so significant this 60 sen. Let see,
1 sms for Upax (think student) = 1 sen (within the same network).. so 60 sen = 60 sms.. WHOA!! sound a lot right... Ok, 6 sen for other network, but still, 10 sms still a lot.
What about call? It worth 4 minutes (15sen/min).. dont you think thats a lot (average 1 song. Enough time to explain your normal condition to your family)..
Again, dont think 60sen worth nothing. It could worth more than you think.. and that only for RM10 where average people use RM30-RM40 per month.. Think of it!!

(continue...)

Ashz said...

5. I hope that you know the root cause of this problem (Are you?). As we know this matter arise due to the increase of government tax form 5% to 6% (Dont you know this before you wrote that article, I hope so~). So here is the question.. Ok a lots of questions.. Why the telco's want to bear the this tax (5% tax) before and now not. (refer http://ilmi-islam.com/teknologi/gajet/159-pengguna-prepaid-akan-dikenakan-cukai-6.html) Next, why there is increase of the tax in the first place? ok now read this..
http://www.bharian.com.my/bharian/articles/Cukaitalianprabayar6peratus/Article
For me this sound not convincing at all.. We all know where the money all goes isnt it.. no question.. but did the government use that money wisely.. (Oh! Please dont compare with petrol, that is different bcoz it is subsidised by government while this tax is NOT subsidised by government, it is beared by telco's not government)
Ok now 2 things comes in my mind:
i. Why dont telco's keep bearing that 5% tax and just let 1% tax beared by user? It sound better isnt it?
ii. Do government use that money wisely??
Come back to your article, it is soo wrong to compare Japan and Malaysia in this issue bcoz their government doing well with the money (Look at the facilities they have, why should they complain if they pay so high and get what they suppose to get). Try to compare Malaysia and.. erm Thailand for example.. sound more like us isnt it or other developing country. Complain? definitely a lot.

So.. conclusion, dont think other people complain for nothing.. there must be reason behind it.. And please understand the issue well before you wrote something on it.. Please consider bigger view when you want to analysed something.. Ok now, look at what you wrote, does it sound narrow minded? Saying that other people rumbling without concrete arguments, certainly you are one of them.. No statistics or evidences what so ever to prove you argument.. You are oversea student (not like most of us), dont sound too narrow minded (and arrogant!).. Jangan kerana anda oversea student, anda lupa pelajar2 yang belajar di negara sendiri..

zunitaramli said...

@ashz: Thank u for all ur comments. first n foremost, i need a professional situation here, so that we cn hv professional discussion with SOLID and VALID arguments. I call it DISCUSSION so that u can say whatever u think is a concrete point, same as me. do NOT expect there will b a winner or loser at the end of the discussion.

FIRST POINT
"Your article did not consider the right group (Refer to point no. 2), where this group is minority."

-->do u really READ n DIGEST what i wrote there? quoting what I wrote:

"ada jgk org yg komplen2 ni yg pakai iphone, blackberry, HTC, yg ada ipad, galaxy tab, etc"

Did u see the word "ADA JUGAK"? means I'm intentionally referring to this MINORITY grp. Why? Bcz these ppl does not have RIGHT to complaint coz they are NOT affected by this tax coz they use postpaid. Tho some of them might use prepaid, but only a small portion of it. And I assume, since they are using so called high-tech-and-expensive-hp, it does not make any sense if they cannot afford 6% tax, if they can afford spending thousands of ringgits buying the hp.


2ND POINT:
"Now which group affected most? Student. Now think back, student pakai prepaid sbb nak jimat, and now they have to pay extra for that"

-->So, do u trying to say students use a lot of credits every month? Lemme ask u some questions. Are u students? How many handphoneS do u have? How much money do u spend per month to topup? How many % of them do u spend for academic stuffs or useful stuffs? Do students really need so much credit in a month???? If they cannot afford, stop gayut-ing, stop sending so called one-word-per-sms, stop throwing away ur money for unnecessary things, coz u know u r student!


3RD POINT
"Those yg pakai iphone, blackberry, HTC and so on normally come with data plan.. and it is not prepaid, but postpaid, which is not affected from this issues. Some people did use prepaid, but minor. Reason? Sbb xnak bayar postpaid yg mahal. Again, isu orang KAYA kurang tepat di sini sbb biasanya orang KAYA akan pakai postpaid or at least data plan."

-->Repeating point.


4TH POINT
"Tapi zaman sekarang, Handphone adalah satu KEPERLUAN, BUKAN satu KEIGINAN."

-->who made it as keperluan? u have a choice not to hv it, true? u wont die if u dont hv hp, true? u still can live w/o hp, true? what factor made it now hp is so important sampai xboleh nk hidup?


5TH POINT
"Some people depend solely on handphone for communication. Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal.. (tho' fixed to fixed free but you have to pay extra for that). Satu lagi, student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone.."


--> Tergelak bc argument ni. hehe. no offense tho. well, ur argument seems contradict to each other..
1st statement:Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal
2nd statement:student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone..
conclusion: student ramai pakai hp than fixed line.

If student ramai pakai hp than fixed line, why bother rate mahal mobile-fixed line? u gonna use it very least anyway.

zunitaramli said...

6TH POINT
"If you need RM10 top up, then you have pay RM10.60. Ok, now what is so significant this 60 sen. Let see,
1 sms for Upax (think student) = 1 sen (within the same network).. so 60 sen = 60 sms.. WHOA!! sound a lot right... Ok, 6 sen for other network, but still, 10 sms still a lot.
What about call? It worth 4 minutes (15sen/min).. dont you think thats a lot (average 1 song. Enough time to explain your normal condition to your family)..
Again, dont think 60sen worth nothing. It could worth more than you think.. and that only for RM10 where average people use RM30-RM40 per month.. Think of it!!"

-->Nonsense. Are u really need that much SMS/call in a month??? Bck to Malaysia, I hardly spend Rm10/month (if u really use it WISELY)


7TH POINT
"did the government use that money wisely"

--> So I assume, u assume that govt did NOT use the money wisely. How do u know?

8TH POINT
"Please dont compare with petrol, that is different bcoz it is subsidised by government while this tax is NOT subsidised by government, it is beared by telco's not government"

-->Nonsense. Where does the subsidy coming from if part of it not from TAX?


9TH POINT
"it is soo wrong to compare Japan and Malaysia in this issue bcoz their government doing well with the money (Look at the facilities they have, why should they complain if they pay so high and get what they suppose to get)."

-->who said Japan govt is doing well with money?I live in japan for a year, and my husband live here for 5 years. we know what is happening here more than u do. Did u know Japan is one of the country that has highest debt in the world? I assume u are not.


YOUR CONCLUSION
"dont think other people complain for nothing.. there must be reason behind it.."

-->Obviously, all the reasons u gave me are petty reasons. Sorry to say, u r not giving me any good reason at all.

"You are oversea student (not like most of us), dont sound too narrow minded (and arrogant!).. Jangan kerana anda oversea student, anda lupa pelajar2 yang belajar di negara sendiri.."

-->LOL. Dont sound too much like typical politician, can you? Calling someone who are totally stranger to u, narrow minded and arrogant is TOTALLY unethical. U do not know me, please be nice. Do not judge a book by it's cover.

Ashz said...

First of all, sorry for calling your article sounds arrogant and narrow minded (if and only if you are humble and open minded to accept my sincere apology).. My bad on that..

FIRST POINT

Reading..tut..tut..tut.. Digesting..tut..tut..tut.. Ok,now where we are.. At least you agreed that most of "them" are using postpaid. And those you are referring to are those who use prepaid.. and here why make fuss out of it like they are the one who create this whole drama, since they are just minority group (like you say "ADA JUGAK").. thus, does not represent the whole story to analyse this issue. Why not highlighting the bigger group? Try to look at the bigger view, not just “ADA JUGAK” group..

2ND POINT

Your argument sound skeptical as you just considering student who are like gayut-ing, one-word-per-sms, and so on.. (Are you one of them? Hope not).. What about those who are not?? Does that justify you response?

4TH POINT

I believe when you defining word "KEPERLUAN" is things that somebody really need and without it they will die. And things like "shelther, food and etc" (like what we taught in the school, ok ok..).. However, the definition of this word have been widen in this modern world. Like electricity become part of keperluan and handphone has become one of them. You can say we wont die if we dont have electricity, (thus not keperluan) but it becomes part of keperluan to live in this current world.


and "what factor made it now hp is so important sampai xboleh nk hidup?". Consider when our mum want to hear something from us. Without handphone, it becoming hard (oh yes! you can go back to the old days, sending letter saying i'm ok and so on which will take it weeks to deliver). Yes you still can live without it, but it becoming so important, isnt it?? It will affect your family as they want to hear about your news as fast as possible.. Runsing, bimbang, these things will surely affect you family.. Imagine if you miss some important news, what will happen? Does it affect your life? Try to widen your view..

5TH POINT

I thought you know that public phone is part of so called fixed line.. I dont blame you when you laugh about it.. Maybe I should explain more..

Now refer to articla, point 3, "Kalau rasa xmampu byr tax 6% tu, xpayah pakai handphone. Guna public phone.". Here is what i mean:

"Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal.."
"Satu lagi, student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone.."

So do you got it or should i elaborate more?? Maybe i should. Student ramai pakai hp. Gune public phone, more money. Agree? Oh yes when you call fixed line from public phone, it will cheaper but then i stated already "student mana nak ada fixed line" which left calling public phone to public phone which again sound impossible.. So? Tergelak? Hahaha... Yes i am..

And the funiest things among all is your conclusion,

"1st statement:Why handphone? Jimat, sbb klo nak call mobile ke fixed line mahal
2nd statement:student mana nak ada fixed line.. mestilah handphone..
conclusion: student ramai pakai hp than fixed line."

I dont know what you have in mind when you wrote that, but it never failed to LOLed me when i read it.. Your conclusion is way wrong.. Hahah..(only if you understand what actually it is)

Ashz said...

6TH POINT

“Nonsense. Are u really need that much SMS/call in a month??? Bck to Malaysia, I hardly spend Rm10/month (if u really use it WISELY)”

My response is "dont think 60sen worth nothing. It could worth more than you think. (hope you read it)". Yes, you dont need this much sms/call per month but this small thing could have help you in certain situation.. so dont think it worth nothing..

7TH POINT

I believe "did the government use that money wisely?" is a question not an assumption. And yet you make assumption based on that question. And and with "How do u know?", straight jump into conclusion.. Hahah.. Stop making assumption..

Apart from that I dont have the right to say much about it as you might keep assuming on something.

8TH POINT


Your Response, "Nonsense. Where does the subsidy coming from if part of it not from TAX?"

So you try to say that 6% tax will be used partly to subsidised the petrol? How sure you are??

from bharian,

"Katanya, langkah itu diambil bagi memastikan perkhidmatan prabayar mudah alih kekal kompetitif berikutan kadar panggilan dan khidmat pesanan ringkas (SMS) prabayar adalah tinggi berbanding pasca bayar."

link: "http://www.bharian.com.my/bharian/articles/Cukaitalianprabayar6peratus/Article"

IF that what are are saying, then definately it is wrong.. Does it sound this 6% tax will be used to subsidised the petrol. Or or you still doing some assumption here.. ahaha.. sorry..


9TH POINT

You are right, but this does not justify you to make such comparison on this issue.

MY CONCLUSION

"Obviously, all the reasons u gave me are petty reasons. Sorry to say, u r not giving me any good reason at all." Well that sound arrogant to me.. But again sorry and maybe that the way you are...

Nway, as i said earlier, sorry for calling you arrogant and narrow-minded (actually what i mean is that it is not like you are arrogant or narrow minded, but that article you wrote sounds arrogant and narrow minded).. Well, keep writing article as some of your article are really good and well explained (I read your blog sometimes).. but to me not this one.. Try to widen your view when wrote the article..
As you say, “I call it DISCUSSION so that u can say whatever u think is a concrete point, same as me. do NOT expect there will b a winner or loser at the end of the discussion.”.. That true, it not like I want to win something out of it.. It is just if you could consider bigger view, then your argument might sound different and better.
Again, sorry and have a good day =)

Anonymous said...

Totally agree with u Ashz! :)

Anonymous said...

the best way to judge an issue is by standing 360 degree angle rather than 1 degree before jump into conclusion.

zunitaramli said...

@ashz: thank u for respecting my request :) that's very kind of u :)

nway, answering ur 1st point:

''Why not highlighting the bigger group? Try to look at the bigger view, not just “ADA JUGAK” group..''

-->sigh.u still didnt understand what I wrote there. Did u really try to understand the meaning? U keep repeating 'we hv to consider bigger grp,yada yada yada..' but what I'm trying to say was; these grp does NOT have right to say anything at ALL. so kenapa wujud grp ni nk komplen2? same case dgn overseas student tu, yg bising2 jgk, tp xde kaitan lansung ngn dia. Did u get what I mean? I believe no.

-->I was trying to evaluate the issue from all perspectives. Viewing from a small grp (this is what u keep arguing) wasnt my point. what I saw was EVERYONE LIKES TO COMPLAINT, whether it's related to them,or not NOT AT ALL. u see the point?


2nd point
'Your argument sound skeptical as you just considering student who are like gayut-ing, one-word-per-sms, and so on.. (Are you one of them? Hope not).. What about those who are not?? Does that justify you response?'

-->LOL. what do u mean so sceptical? do u want to deny the reality MOST students are like that? I used to be in malaysia university and I know the environment there. do not deny the truth. u didnt answer my qs, how many handphoneS do u hv?how much topup do u spend per month? and from that, how much % that u spend for academic related stuffs? Nway, I'm not a student :)

4th point
'I believe when you defining word "KEPERLUAN" is things that somebody really need and without it they will die. And things like "shelther, food and etc" (like what we taught in the school, ok ok..).. However, the definition of this word have been widen in this modern world. Like electricity become part of keperluan and handphone has become one of them. You can say we wont die if we dont have electricity, (thus not keperluan) but it becomes part of keperluan to live in this current world.

-->u think hp is keperluan bcz U MADE IT ONE OF THEM. anda terlalu bergantung kpd hp utk hidup. kenapa org dulu boleh hidup tanpa hp? nk ckp sbb modern, apa yg ada pada zaman skg sampai hp tu satu keperluan? kalau w/o hp boleh mati,anda xakan wujud skg. U are the one who made it so important as if w/o it, u will die soon. heh

'Consider when our mum want to hear something from us. Without handphone, it becoming hard (oh yes! you can go back to the old days, sending letter saying i'm ok and so on which will take it weeks to deliver). Yes you still can live without it, but it becoming so important, isnt it?? It will affect your family as they want to hear about your news as fast as possible.. Runsing, bimbang, these things will surely affect you family.. Imagine if you miss some important news, what will happen? Does it affect your life? Try to widen your view..''
-->LOL. so.. hp is important sbb nk cpt dpt berita is it?w/o hp, mmg mati laa xdpt berita asap, is that trueee? well, i believe u r smart and u know how to use computer. since 6% tax is mean so much to u, why not lessen the amount of call/sms u need to use and use it for that SO-MUCH-IMPORTANT thing? Just a suggestion anyway. or myb, if u hv laptop, u know how to use skype right? or if u do not hv anything at all, y not use public phone? The SO-MUCH-IMPORTANT thing like ur mum want to hear from u asap does not happen every day, agree?

zunitaramli said...

5th point
haha. sorry, ur argument wasnt clear. so, u mean student need to use hp coz calling to fixed line mahal. so they can jimat if using hp. so it means bcoz of 6% tax, they cannot jimat anymoreeee. oh no. kesian students, yeah. if a month they need to topup rm30, so they lost rm1.80!! lemme ask u, how much is the movie tix? how much is a box of cigarrete? surprisingly, MOST of students can afford movie tix and cigarrete than rm1.80! wow!!! amazingggg~

nway, what im trying to say is, u just see it in narrow view, why not see what students do with their money? if they really cannot tolerate 6% tax with topup, why they can tolerate with 6% tax for movie tix? for cigarrete? for KFC? for pizza? pelik kan? some students i believe got ptptn, where does ptptn coming from? if everyone in this country xnk byr tax, xnk byr itu ini, nk subsidi, nk pinjaman, well... u know what will happen :)

6th point
is there so much important thing until u need 180sms per month, on top of sms u hv already got with ur credit (considering u topuprm30 per month) every month? wahhh.. mmg byk betul emergency setiap bulan kan? :)


7th point
"did the government use that money wisely?" is a question not an assumption.

-->yes, it's qs, but when u raised a qs, means u hv doubt on that. agree? so.. y u hv doubt on that? and how do u know?

8th point

Your Response, "Nonsense. Where does the subsidy coming from if part of it not from TAX?"

So you try to say that 6% tax will be used partly to subsidised the petrol? How sure you are??


-->hahaha. read it carefully. see the word 'PART OF IT'. Means, NOT all the tax will go to the subsidy, part of income negara are coming from tax. i believe u know this. And jgn la nampak terburu2 sgt bro.. the word 'tax' in the sentence implies for all kind of taxes, termasuklah cukai prabyr, cukai pendapatan, cukai itu,cukai ini. sigh~ please.. read it carefully..


9th point
ou are right, but this does not justify you to make such comparison on this issue.

-->haha. what do u mean this does not justify to make comparison??? please read again what i wrote in the article.


well, for the conclusion, maybe just bcoz u do not know me in person, u may judge me by my writing. I hv no offense on that. ppl will always hv their first impression on something. that's normal tho. Nway, thanks for the comments and I really appreciate it :)

zunitaramli said...

@anon: I believe everyone has their own thought on something. if u hv 360 degree view in this matter, why not share with us? :)

Ashz said...

@anon :
Thanks for understand what im trying to say.. At least u got the core msg from it..


@author:
Thanks for considering my apology.. Nway, I believe everybody have their own view on how they view on certain things.. I respect that.. and I just give you another perspective on this issue, only if you can see it thro'..

Nway, i dont want to drag this more, just want to correct some of points from your last comment.

1. What you saw actually CERTAIN group of people who like to complaint (those who have the iphone and so on..), does not represent EVERYONE (that just sound contradict). I also believe that everyone have the right to complaint on somethings which related to them.

2. By saying MOST of student are like that, it already show how skeptic your argument are. Just because your enviroment is like that, you made it like everyone like that. Regarding the hp, I just posses 1, not many (just to answer you qs). And Im not student anymore, im already working. Maybe you look down upon my argument because you might think that i am a student. That just assumption.

4. As i already work, handphone is really essential to me (KEPERLUAN) as most of my work are outside. So here you failed to see that not all the time laptop are accessable. And handphone are really crucial. Boleh mati? Maybe, i might lost my job thus no money to feed my family. And IF and only IF your are working, then you know how essential that it you. and DONT DENY IT as if you dont need handphone and can live without it. Those are just ur saying, in fact even for you urself, handphone is crucial..

5. Again, you narrowing you view to that kind of student (like to watch movie and bla bla).. what you still fail to see is other kind of people.. Maybe you come from a good family, consider family who are not as fortunate as yours... It is not like everyone dont have to pay the tax, but i has to be justified what for. Jangan le membuti tuli ikut apa orang suruh..

6.Stil not getting my point there.. anyway for you, that RM1.80 is nothing isnt it.. I can't say much about it.. Maybe someday you will not underestimate this small amount of money.

8.Seem you try to mislead this.. I understand that what you want to say is part of money to use for subsidy come from taxes.. Its just not from this 6% tax as i stated the reason behind this tax (and this is the tax that we are concern about, not other). That why i wrote dont compare this with petrol...

You might say that I dont have the right to say about student as im not one of them anymore.. But i used to be student and i know about it. Even so, broaden our view by considering other people is a good approach to understand certain issues. Well it is good for us to look on the issue from various perspective. That will make our arguement more solid.


Glad to have quick reply for that.. May we become more mature in analysing an issue.. Its good to have some arguments as we can learn from it..

Have a nice day =)

Anonymous said...

semakin kita byk membaca semakin byk yg kita belum tahu....

cuba2lah tafsirkan maksudnye. hormati opinion org lain. anda belajar pun ditaja sepenuhnye.

zunitaramli said...

@ashz: sigh. it seems u contradict ur own arguments..


well, i dont want to waste my time here repeating the same thing over and over again. it seems like u dont get what i wrote there, so it's up to u. u hv ur opinion and i hv mine, i respect urs, hope u do the same :)

btw, im not coming from rich and kaya raya family. if u read my blog, u'll know which type of family im coming from. again, dont judge a book by its cover. and yes, try to look on the issue from various perspectives as well :)

@anon: yes, im fully sponsored, so u hv problem with that? :)

Anonymous said...

Well explained. Good job ashz!

Anonymous said...

The issue with taxes:
Japanese govt supplies so much to its people, yet fails to collect enough tax from its people in fear of burdening its people. That's the Japanese culture (I lived in Japan for 2 years). They just do not want to be a burden to the others. Their standard of living is quite expensive, yet they are also paid very well, their buying power is way better than in Malaysia. Their people are, in general, always have enough to live a decent life, always have enough saving in their bank.

Comparing with Sweden : one of the country with the highest tax (I think around 40% from salary). Yet, they are able to live a very high standard of life, because their govt provides enough to their citizen.

Case with Malaysia : Govt keep wanting to add tax here and there, increase the tax. But Msian govt is never known to use the money prudently. If anything, most of the money is not for the people, its limited to only certain people. Yes, our standard of living has increased compared to 30 years ago. But looking back, we could have achieved more. A LOT MORE. That's why people complain for the tax increment. Our govt keep wanting to increase tax, but they have a poor reputation at using the money properly. The main reason why people are so against paying more tax. I don't think Malaysian will complain if the improvement is on par with what is being paid.